What's the Weave?

[Silvion]

I like it!

[Robert]

Brilliant 1st Age of technology, Victor. But I'd disagree on some:

4th would be a hegemony of Rand, but also rather short.

5th, caused by Rand's death would have the reappearing of the Shadow, yes, but maybe not thousands of years.

6th would be Perhaps the Rebuilding.

7th would be a renewed attack by the Shadow, wrecking the world back to ancient times.

Your list of ter'angreal in this age really surprised me, BTW. I didn't know you were so attuned to history. Your list of Ta'veren might do with some adding.

Genghis Khan
Alexander the Great (How could you forget him!?)
Cyrus the Great (First King of Persia)
Rommel
Patton
Eisenhower
Stalin
FDR
Kennedy
Bush 2 (Ta'veren bend chance, and he couldn't possibly have been elected if chance wasn't on his side, no? ;D )

[Tony]

Nice Bush thing!

What about Lincold or Washington? They were really important.

[Victor]

I mainly put in the 7th age stuff because it's said that the portal stones and the wolfbrother stuff was around long before the second age, and what better an era for those sorts of powers than one in which the Shadow is ahead in the balance of power?

And it's not history I'm attuned to, it's corny myths. There's definitely a difference.

[Robert]

Lincoln? He didn't really do much, to be honest. Niether did Washington, really. If you want me to explain, just ask.

Also, I might add, now that I am in the spirit:

Zheng He
Yongle Emperor
Chandragupta
Ashoka
Tokugawa
Louis XIV
Charles I of Spain and V of the Holy Roman Empire.
Jan Sobeski
Peter the Great
General Zhukov of the USSR
Foriegn Commisar Molotov
Simon Bolivar

And many other possibilities...

[Tony]

Washington helped defeat the Brithish and Lincold started the process of making Blacks equals.

[Robert]

Washington Sucked as a general. Really. He did dumb things like, oh, let's see:

Get his army trapped multiple times (barely managed to run away)

Got defeated so many times it was a miracle he survived...

Tried to lead a frontal assault on Boston which would have gotten many Americans slaughtered...

Really, what folks don't realize is that the real genius was Benedict Arnold. Yes, him. He won the Americans some of their greatest victories. It was the fact they kept not recognizing this that pissed him off... And led him to defect.


Lincoln continued a movement that had long been run by others. If he wasn't there, another would have done. And he kept pressing his generals to move when they weren't ready, to act like there was no such thing as disease, supply problems, etc...

[Victor]

I supose it's the fact that Washington succeeded and overcame the incompetence that you describe that made him ta'veren, Robert.

Who would be the Artur Hawkwing of our age? Who would be the Dragon?

[Tony]

Artur Hawkwing would be King Arthur. As for the Dragon, ME!

[Robert]

Artur Hawkwing of this age? Hmm. What we need is someone who conquered a lot, instilled an excellent legal code, died during a seige, and sent out expeditions. Candidates are:

King Arthur: United Britan, Sent expeditions to France, legend has it that he had a just legal system, but he didn't die, as far as we know, but got shipped off to somewhere else. 3/4

Genghis Khan: United most of the know world but died during a long seige en route to even greater conquests. Had a harsh way of dealing with people, high and low, but this wasn't exactly a good legal code. 3/4

Napoleon: United almost all of Europe, Invaded Russia unsucessfully, Instilled an excellent legal code, but died in exile. 3/4

Alexander the Great: United a lot, but had a terrible legal code, died of sickness (or possibly poisioning), and did not send out far flung expeditions, mainly because he died before then. 1/4

Caesar: Excellent Legal Code, Conquered a lot, but died of murder and did not send out far flung expeditions. 2/4

Those are the ones I can think of now. Logically, I'd say Napoleon, Genghis Khan, or King Arthur would be good candidates. However, Arthur has one other thing going for him: Arthur Paendragon was his name, compared to Artur Paendrag Tanreal.


As to the Dragon, I don't think we've seen one yet.

[Silvion]

Jezus "conquered" allmost the entire world, had an excellent legal code, due to him expeditions where sent through al the known world, he didnt die in a siege(the siege thing is kinda irrelevant in my opinion). 3/4

[Silvion]

In addition to Julius Ceasar, I'd say: emperor Octavianus(Later known as August). He binded together the Roman emperor and became the first real emperor(Julius Ceasar wasnt really an emperor, he was what the Romans themselves called a "dictator". A Dictator was given the control of the empire in emergency-situations for a period of 5 years. Ceasar used his new power to overthrow the senat and become the first monarch of the roman empire. However the Senat killed him not long after.) he had a great legal code, sent out expeditions to the far regions of the known world.(even as far as china and south-Africa). He didnt die during a siege but as I said before I think thats irrelevant.

[Robert]

(Just so you know, don't try to argue about history with Bob unless you can prove you have a history degree, or gather about a million facts to support it. For future reference.)

Octavian, would be an excellent candidate, actually, one of the best if you discount the obvious "Artur Paendrag=Arthur Paendragon" reference. He even has some matching things with battles, like he fought with barbarians and got badly defeated (teutobourg forest), just like Artur and the Aiel. There are two major differences, though. He didn't start with a tiny kingdom like Hawkwing did. He started with the Roman Empire, or at least a third of it. Still, a very powerful man from the beginning. Second, he wasn't a great general, just a very very good statesman. He relied mainly on others for generalship.

[Victor]

Wait - Artur Hawkwing fought the Aiel?

[Tony]

I think so. I think he was trying to conquer them, but their skill at fighting kept him at bay.